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Copying John Batten's post from facebook to make sure the message gets to everyone
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PLEASE READ THIS and make comment urgently
Please make a COMMENT BY 28 June 2011 to the Environment Protection Department (EPD) about the Lamma Baroque development. The applicant has started the process to get a Permit under the Environment Impact Assessment Ordinance (EIAO).

The is a many staged process before they get a Permit. Without a Permit the applicant will not be able to start work. The EIA Permit is completely separate from the Town Planning application process that will be heard by the Town Planning Board in the next few months.

Initially, the applicant has submitted a Project Profile to the EPD. Simply put: this is telling the EPD about what impact this project will have on the environment. The public has the right to object and comment (always use the word 'object') on this Project Profile.

Please send a letter/email of objection and include everything that you believe that the Baroque development will affect on Lamma Island and tell the EPD that the applicant's Project Profile submitted to the EPD has downplayed or ignored these environmental impacts.
So: habitat, archeological sites, noise, beaches, sea tides, introduction of cars and roads, the funicular rail (yes, they want one!), rubbish collection ,intensity of development, marina pollution, destruction of natural beauty etc should be mentioned and stated that the entire project is unsustainable on environmental grounds AND (important to mention this) that the Project Profile has not covered the environmental concerns that you have listed.
Also mention that the applicant will require the resumption of 83% of government land that is currently zoned to protect it from intensive development. The applicant makes no mention or downplays this important fact in its Project Profile.
See the EPD website to read the Project Profile submitted by applicant:
http://www.epd.gov.hk/eia/

Objections/comments can be emailed direct to the EPD at this email:
eiaocomment@edp.gov.hk

I am not an expert on EIAO but have made a number of comments over the years and learnt from doing it - if you need any further information, please email me.

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In-depth 21-minute ATV documentary about The Baroque, with lots of interviews of all sides and stakeholders, plus some really good footage.

It's in Chinese only so far, hopefully they'll get it subtitled soon for the English channel:

ATV 時事追擊 南丫島大變天

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The English version of this pretty well-made ATV documentary with many interviews, "Inside Story", about the Baroque just went up on YouTube, in 2 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUBRTjhpkE&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RBv0gcgHOU&feature=youtu.be

The bilingual BoL newsletter has appeared in racks inside the YSW ferry pier, one of them just besides the Octopus MTR discount machine.

In the meantime, the Town Planning Board's decision has been delayed, on the developers request, to fine-tune the application, for 3 months to Oct 2011.

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It is cynicism or total ignorance in understanding the protection of natural environment what was on the clips.
Some kind of conservation corridor was mentioned – a green belt along the houses; also a distance of several hundred meters separating the Turtle Beach from the development. Very soon the developers will claim the grass lawn at the swimming pool is to protect the nature. It is already a miracle the turtles turn up on the beach every year negotiating between cargo ships and oil spills, scared by noise from engines from pleasure boats and confused by ultrasound depth meters, likely falling into fishing nets.
Another thing is that emphasizing protection of the turtles and some rare frog diverts from the general picture that the whole area needs to be protected with common species of grass, bamboo, crickets and mice. The protection zone needs to be large and one species can not live without the whole environment. I have a feeling Mr. Li likes the idea of protecting the turtles. If the problem is reduced just to that he will certainly propose simple solution of e.g. high wall around the beach – no problem any more.


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I'm still wondering how on earth they are going to find access getting TO Lamma for all those cars, not to mention space for 20 buses??

A bridge being built from Lamma to Aberdeen next?


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(From the Baroque FAQ)
9. CAR PARKING

CAR PARKING: Over 100 private and public parking spaces are proposed for private cars, buses, and lorries. However, all powered vehicles are not permitted on Lamma so far (except VVs, emergency vehicles and Lamma Power Station vehicles). Please explain

We need to look at the rationale behind. The existing villages in Lamma develop from old settlements and are not equipped to handle vehicles. The very existence of the VVs (which actually serve as goods and sometimes passenger transport, albeit very polluting and noisy), emergency vehicles and Power Station vehicles show that there are needs for mechanical means of transportation even for compact settlements like Yung Shue Wan and Sok Kwu Wan. If a sizeable development is properly designed right from the start, there is no reason to band vehicles. If the objection is against “pollution” and/or “noise”, new generation of quiet electrical vehicles, or vehicles run on other clean energy sources, are now available and will be common by the time this development is completed – around 2017.

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Well, that's all reassuring, then.


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Yes, there is reason to ban vehicles. More precisely, there is a reason to ban regular road traffic. There is a difference between standard size buses and lorries and small VVs (I agree noisy) that merge with the pedestrians on footpaths. Many people moved to the Island because it is free of the vehicle traffic. This is the beauty of Lamma. This is the exceptional character and uniqueness of Lamma.

The developer is not that dumb to not to realize there are no roads for normal size buses and lorries and there is no connection to HK Island. This is long term investment counting on turning Lamma into another high big residential estate worth to be connected by undersea crossing or bridge.

I agree with gradual improvements and development of the villages with reasonable zones to protect the environment. In my opinion the proposed large development is not really for benefit of the Islanders. It is for benefit for some remote investors and yacht ship owners.


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Tigger wrote:
I'm still wondering how on earth they are going to find access getting TO Lamma for all those cars, not to mention space for 20 buses??

A bridge being built from Lamma to Aberdeen next?


We can witness the revival of car ferries, which now cost from $500 to $10000 per ride, if I remember correctly.

Actually, if they keep their vehicles to their village and have a dedicated car ferry line, we in Yung Shue Wan can be fine.


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Anton wrote:
[Actually, if they keep their vehicles to their village and have a dedicated car ferry line, we in Yung Shue Wan can be fine.


Yes, but it sounds a tad dangerous. Headlines could be ''Minor collision in the Lamma Channel between a container ship, a car ferry and a yacht.


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Ming Pao Weekly magazine is doing a big story about Living on Lamma this weekend.

They're interviewing a lot of Lammaites of all ages and various ethnicities. Besides myself, they're still looking for a female expat to interview tomorrow, Tue evening, after 6pm in Yung Shue Wan.

The interview (with optional picture-taking, if you don't mind) will touch on the Baroque as well, but it's more kind of a trigger for doing such a rare story about our community, focusing on North Lamma and our concerns and reasons for living here.

Call reporter Shan at 9330 6214 right now, if you're available, and we can do the interview together.

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Don't do it -tell them to mind their own business.

What are we - Animals/Gweilo's in a ZOO??

Soon they'll be running Gweilo watching trips.

Lammma gung the zoo master

Enough of the Voyeurism man!!!


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Stop being so harsh on LG Polikoop :-)

It's an opportunity. It's a great opportunity for people to either 'gush' about the place, or bitch'' about the place.

I'm in the latter category actually. Sometimes I'm in the former. LOL But you have a chance to really say about what you feel about the place.

And if the reporter/journalist writes a piece that is nonsense' so what, That would be nothing new.

And if the construction rubble, the 20 year puddle outside the Yan Yan store, and the sewage words construction, and the VV's is mentioned .... then maybe some people may sit up and take note.

And maybe the rents and construction will go down a tad!

This is your chance to tell of 'your Lamma'.


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Lamma-Gung the Zoomaster?

Yes, I kind of like it! Lamma is indeed like a zoo so often, of the natural and of the human kind, full of fascinating creepy crawlies and an astonishing variety of human animals, especially Gwailos that the tourists love to gawk at. Lamma Gwailo watching tours sounds like an interesting idea, it might be a market niche not exploited yet!

Oh, look at that bearded, bespectacled Gwailo with his shaggy dogs at his feet selling books! Take a picture, quick!

See that white-haired beggar on his chair just outside the Policebox, spotting potential targets to top up his sizable CSSA.

Be careful, an old, ugly, pony-tailed Gwailo trying to squeeze through the Main Street crowds on his grass-green mountainbike!

Poilkoop the Curmudgeon sitting in a Main Street bar, watching in disgust the human tsunami of weekend visitors flooding through Main Street would be another interesting exhibit in this Lamma Zoo....<HR>
Yes, I did the interview with the Ming Pao Weekly reporter yesterday, after a lot of hesitation on my part as I get too many requests like this from various media, even journalism students. I often just forward them by suggesting more suitable interviewees.

The reporter interviewed about ten Lammaites yesterday, after visiting Lamma for 2-3 days already last week, so my input might result in just 1-2 out-of-context remarks in the story only. It seems kind of an in-depth story to be published mid-Aug on the weekend. It focused on the local lifestyle, how it's different from most of the rest of HK and why people move here at all. No fast food, no supermarkets, no 24-hour shops, no chain stores, no cinema, no karaoke!!! How can you survive here?! The reporter wanted to know why people they like it here and how it's changed in the last few years.
No questions about developments like Lamma Garden, bike park, harbour reclamation or The Baroque, to my surprise. She probably interviewed residents living closer to these developments.

Well, we'll see what the story will be like. I don't expect too much from it, frankly. The last Ming Pao Weekly story I remember well was about our HORRIBLE parties on Power Station beach, a morally outraged cover story about those lecherous gwailos seducing innocent Chinese girls at these depraved rave parties!!!
That story had a very negative impact on the beach parties, driving them underground to remote beaches, after initially attracting quite a few curious Ming Pao Weekly readers, probably to check out those supposedly loose girls.

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Lamma-Gung wrote:


See that white-haired beggar on his chair just outside the Policebox, spotting potential targets to top up his sizable CSSA.
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There, but for the grace of God goes Lamma Gung.

Judging by your recent appeal:

"OK, $190 in my wallet (which I'll need for another hospital outpatient visit tomorrow), $200+ in the bank, no savings, no assets to sell, no credit lines or cards, no monthly paycheck ..."


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Submitted by Executive Counsel:

The Baroque on Lamma Stakeholder Engagement Forum

Executive Counsel Limited has recently been engaged by The Baroque on Lamma (BoL) to openly hear the concerns of local and wider interest and green groups on their planning proposals through a public forum.

We understand the generous feedback previously shared by all groups to date and only intend to briefly provide new information and updates. More importantly, we wish to provide a public opportunity for all parties to speak and share their concerns and opinions on the proposals and the newly submitted information.

For your information, an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) Study Brief was issued by the Environmental Protection Department on 27 July 2011 and it is currently available online: http://www.epd.gov.hk/eia/english/alpha/aspd_629.html. Today (8 September 2011), BoL will also submit additional information to the Town Planning Board (TPB) to respond to questions and concerns raised to this Board to date, and we will briefly share details of both at the forum.

Additional information submitted to TPB:

• Supplementary planning information
• Conceptual Ideas on Conservation Corridor
• Social Impact Assessment (SIA) Report

Thus, we have recommended to BoL that we arrange and will facilitate a bilingual event with simultaneous interpretation. We have recommended that the three-hour workshop should comprise only around 30 minutes of their planning and environmental consultant's new information/update and, thereafter, will make the floor open for around two hours to all views. BoL will be present simply to listen to views at first hand but will not participate in presentations, which will be conducted by their consultants.

Importantly, we wish all available parties to attend and participate in the forum, irrespective of the views they hold. Please also note that participation in the event does not indicate any support for the proposals or project whatsoever.

Finally, Executive Counsel Limited will also prepare forum minutes for agreement by participants to ensure a record of all concerns and views.

Details of the forum are as follow:

Date: 8 October 2011, Saturday
Time: 2:00pm - 5:00pm
Venue: St. James Settlement
No. 85 Stone Nullah Lane, Wanchai, Hong Kong (map attached together with Registration Form in Eng. and Chin..)

To participate the workshop, please fill in the Registration Form attached and reply by email: ec1@execounsel.com or by fax: 2868 0805 on or before 5 October 2011 (Wednesday).

Should you have any enquires about the workshop, please contact the undersigned. Also, please feel free to forward this invite to any other parties that may be interested in participating in this forum.

Yours sincerely,

Mavis Ma
Executive Counsel Limited<HR>

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南丫島博寮港計劃公眾諮詢會

博寮港有限公司日前聘請毅信顧問公司籌劃公眾諮詢會,以聆聽及了解社會各界對南丫島博寮港計劃的關注。我們非常感謝各界人士近日對本計劃提供的寶貴意見,是次諮詢會將提供新資訊讓公眾更深入了解對有關計劃 。

環境保護署已於2011年7月27日批出南丫島博寮港計劃環境影響評估之研究概要,其內容已上載於 http://www.epd.gov.hk/eia/english/alpha/aspd_629.html 供公眾查閱。而博寮港有限公司亦於今天2011年9月8日提交附加資料予城市規劃委員會 (城規會)以回應城規會對此計劃的關注和提問,有關內容將會於諮詢會中作簡單闡述。

已提交城規會的附加資料包括:
• 規劃補充資料
• 保育走廊概念
• 社會影響評估報告

諮詢會將以雙語形式舉行,並提供中英即時傳譯。另外,諮詢會當日將由南丫島博寮港計劃之環境及規劃顧問以約30分鐘介紹計劃的最新資訊,及提供約2小時予參與者發表意見。南丫島博寮港有限公司之代表屆時將出席諮詢會聆聽各方意見,但各項新資訊將由其顧問公司作闡述。

我們希望閣下能撥冗出席諮詢會聆聽及發表意見,而參與是次諮詢會並不反映參與者之立場為支持上述計劃。

毅信顧問公司將會紀錄各界人士於會上發表的關注及意見並於稍後整理諮詢會會議紀錄。

南丫島博寮港計劃公眾諮詢會詳情:
日期: 2011年10月8日(星期六)
時間: 下午 2 時至 5 時
地點: 聖雅各福群會
香港灣仔石水渠街85號 (地圖隨登記表格附上)

如閣下有意參加南丫島博寮港計劃公眾諮詢會,請填妥隨信附上的登記表格,並於2011年10月5日或之前電郵至 ec1@execounsel.com 或傳真至2868 0805。如對諮詢會有任何查詢,請與本人聯絡。與此同時歡迎閣下轉寄此邀請信予其他對本諮詢會有興趣之人士。

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For some background, have a look at this very informative summary by Damon Wong of the 1,107 submissions (93% objections) received by the Town Planning Dept. on the Baroque application:

http://www.interlocals.net/?q=node%2F377

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I find it hilarous that the Mr Chow that is quoted about the greedy devolopers ruining their land for profit is no doubt the same Mr Chow that continues to build as many houses as possible in Tai Yuen with no regard for the environment and also refuses to allow the goverment to do the necessary works to fix the flooding outside Yan Yan's!!!

Surely if he has submitted an objection the government department that claims they cannot contact him regarding the flooding will have access to his address!!!


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Please do not enter any dialogue or attend meetings with 'Executive Counsel' if you object to the Baroque. This would just appear to condone in.

What is needed is some protests outside the meeting with placards objecting to the project.

These people have no franchise to conduct any public meetings on this, as if they actually owned the land and had approval to go ahead!!

At the moment all they have is a bunch of agricultural leases that its illegal to transfer or sell.

I cannot help as I am in Japan.

Who can will do this???


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Don't forget to send in your comments until the 14th!


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poilkoop wrote:

These people have no franchise to conduct any public meetings on this, as if they actually owned the land and had approval to go ahead!!

At the moment all they have is a bunch of agricultural leases that its illegal to transfer or sell.



So how can they apply for Planning Permission of the Baroque without proper Ownership of the Land?

I actually like this development on Lamma Island,it will improve the Standards of living not only for humans….

Has anybody been at there Workshop on Saturday 8th?


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Deadline tomorrow, Friday, Oct 14, for your submission (or re-submission) to Town Planning Board about the rezoning of land in Tung O Wan:

http://www.info.gov.hk/tpb/en/plan_application/Y_I-LI_1.html

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