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Apart from the 3 Main Tunnels along the walk to SKW from YSW there are numerous tunnels on Lamma dug by the Japanese during the occupation of Hong Kong.
The ones on the higher slopes presumably were lookout posts.

Took some photos of what is one of the better known ones on Ling Kok Shan which has entrances on both the East & North sides of the hill.

Think over the years I have been down 20 or so of the tunnels of varying lengths from as little as about 5 metres to others of about 50m or so with a number of different entrances & passages.

Was told that somewhere in the forums there is some history about these tunnels - couldn't find it - does anybody (Alan) know where it is.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:40 pm 
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Guy Miller wrote:
Was told that somewhere in the forums there is some history about these tunnels - couldn't find it - does anybody (Alan) know where it is.
Only that some years ago I was working on a guide book and we tried to get some information on the "Kamikaze caves" near SKW. But aside from the name, we couldn't find anything at all. These are often asserted to have been used to house kamikaze torpedo boats, but there isn't any evidence of that, and it doesn't make much sense anyway; there were no Allied ships here till after the Japanese surrender.

Is there anything in the caves you saw (relics, markings)?


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My understanding is that there are the 3 main caves that the tourists see that housed speed boats that were packed with explosives so that in the event the allied fleet sailed into HK harbour, the boats would be launched on a suicide mission. But it never actually happened.

The "Kamikaze Caves" now have a tourism plaque outside them, which may say something to that effect - I will check next time I am over.
They also have "No Entry" signs posted outside.

There is also a fourth cave a little further along towards SKW that is all but sealed as it was used (till a few years ago) as a rubbish dump for SKW.

And a fifth much larger cave/tunnel beside the football pitch in SKW that has been sealed with brickwork.
I was told by a previous police officer that it ran a long way into the mountain & was used by the Japanese to hold local residents in detention,. There were a number of deaths associated with the cave, & it now has a very bad fung shui.
But I'm not sure.

The other tunnels are on mainly on high ground & as I said very often have 2 or more entrances, giving them an air conditioned effect even in the warmest weather.
Wouldn't recommend anybody going in there on their own, as several I've been in have been subject to roof collapse, on top of which they are also home to creepy crawlies (see attached from earlier today) & snakes & rats.
Once came almost nose to nose with a cobra whilst crawling through on all fours.

The one shown above is one of the better preserved
There are several round the YSW area, but most I've been into were on Ling Kok Shan & Mt Stenhouse.
Think a couple were being used by II's several years ago when we had a spate of visitors from the Mainland.
But no, never found any relics or markings - will have a closer look next time I'm in there.


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Guy Mlller wrote:
My understanding is that there are the 3 main caves that the tourists see that housed speed boats that were packed with explosives so that in the event the allied fleet sailed into HK harbour, the boats would be launched on a suicide mission. But it never actually happened.

That's the story behind the name, but it's probably no more than that.


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I think the area of football pitch in SKW is indeed an old quarry (the "new" quarry just opposite to SKW, now also abandoned). So I think the caves in Ling Kok Shan are related to the old quarry instead.

Also I've heard about rumours of the Portuguese castle ruins on Mt. Stenhouse. Can anyone confirm that?


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bunnyrabbit wrote:
Also I've heard about rumours of the Portuguese castle ruins on Mt. Stenhouse. Can anyone confirm that?

I've never heard of that, or seen any buildings or remains on Stenhouse.

Funny thing is, we have all these fairy tales of WWII-related ruins (like the so-called Japanese Hospital at Shek Li), but we really have some of the oldest remains in HK here, such as 3000 year old houses near PSB. There is certainly enough to have a Lamma Museum. Instead of building piers and paths in empty villages, too bad they can't spend some money on something that might be educational and a real attraction.


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bunnyrabbit wrote:
Also I've heard about rumours of the Portuguese castle ruins on Mt. Stenhouse. Can anyone confirm that?

I've walked over & around Stenhouse a number of times, but never seen any remains of any buildings.
Been down a number of tunnels on Stenhouse, similar to the images shown above.
There is also the old "Druids" spot on the southern most peninsula off Stenhouse, but no castle as far as I'm aware.

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I think the area of football pitch in SKW is indeed an old quarry (the "new" quarry just opposite to SKW, now also abandoned). So I think the caves in Ling Kok Shan are related to the old quarry instead.

Possible, although as I mentioned earlier there is now a tourist plaque outside & named as "Kamikaze Caves", so would think that if the Tourist Board has gone that far, there should be some substance to the story.

Would doubt the tunnels on Ling Kok Shan, and elsewhere are "surveying" shafts. The one depicted above for example, has a main tunnel about 40m long with 2 entrances (N & E perspective), & another semicircular tunnel leading off the main one, with what looks like a sleeping area.
Below is shown another photo from the same tunnel


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Guy Mlller wrote:
bunnyrabbit wrote:
I think the area of football pitch in SKW is indeed an old quarry (the "new" quarry just opposite to SKW, now also abandoned). So I think the caves in Ling Kok Shan are related to the old quarry instead.

Possible, although as I mentioned earlier there is now a tourist plaque outside & named as "Kamikaze Caves", so would think that if the Tourist Board has gone that far, there should be some substance to the story.

I wouldn't use that as an authority. They'd put up anything some local VR or whatever asked. In any case, it's just a name, there aren't any dragons in Kowloon after all. I'd ask Jason Wordie if you want something authoritative.


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Couple of questions...

Guy: Where is Ling Kok Shan? And the Druid's spot - what's that?

Alan: Where is Shek Li? And where are the old houses, are they in the woods on that path that cuts through from Wang Long?

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Ling Kok Shan is the "mountain" behind Sok Ku Wan with the aerials & helipad on top.

The Old Japanese Hospital is in the bay before Pak Kok as you go up the hill towards Pak Kok from YSW.

Not sure where the "Old Houses" are by PSB, but there have been diggings about 50yds from Main Street in recent years fairly near the Clinic.

Apparently there are a number of artifacts shown in HK Museum dating from 3300BC of Fishing & Combat items found in Sham Wan Bay (Turtle Bay) from the Middle Neolithic Period.
The "Druids spot" is on the right hand peninsula as you look beyond Mt Stenhouse from PSB, or, 2nd peninsula to the right from Sham Wan Bay.

As for the Portugese "Castle" - I think BR was possibly confused with the Pirate (Portugese) "Castle" on the East Coast of Lantau

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Snake Path wrote:
Alan: Where is Shek Li? And where are the old houses, are they in the woods on that path that cuts through from Wang Long?
Shek Li is to the left of the coast path from YSW to Pak Kok. There is an overgrown path that leads to the house (sometimes called the Japanese Hospital, but that's just a name with no proof as far as I know). It's a very big place, a small house nearby used to be inhabited by an old man who did his best to deter visitors, who has since died. I don't know if anyone lives there now.
I used to live at the farm near the main path, and went by the big house down to a little pier and beach for a swim frequently. There's also a big broken concrete pool/tank near the beach that catches spring water.

Plug "Shek Li" into <a href="http://www.centamap.com/scripts/centamap.asp?lg=EN">Centamap</a>.

The ancient houses are all buried foundations, just behind the cable road at PSB, near the hill at the police end.
They did an archaeological dig a few years ago, but have covered it up since. Would have been nice if they had some exhibits here of the things that have been found.


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