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Here's the full quote from the CE's Policy Address:

"We will develop the former Diamond Hill Squatter Areas (Tai Hom Village), former Cha Kwo Ling Kaolin Mine, former Lamma Quarry and Anderson Road Quarry, which do not involve land resumption.
In order to expedite these four development projects, we will actively consider making use of private developers' capacity for development in providing infrastructure and ancillary facilities, and construction of public and private residential units on these sites.
The four projects together are estimated to provide about 27 hectares of residential land for the construction of about 15,000 units."


It was already mentioned in last year's policy address, in the section on Housing Land Supply:
"Other sources of land supply include sites at the new development areas in the northern New Territories, Anderson Road Quarry, the former Cha Kwo Ling Kaolin Mine, the former Lamma Quarry....

So the 3rd public forum this Sat - in the City Gallery besides City Hall - will take on a new direction. All the ideas and suggestions to look at alternative uses of the ex-Quarry might fall on deaf ears and be dismissed outright?

The companies owning the ex-Cement Factory CDA area might be pretty happy, eager to offer "private developers' capacity for development in providing infrastructure and ancillary facilities, and construction of public and private residential units."

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Briefing for the LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL PANEL ON DEVELOPMENT on Jan 22:

Planning and Engineering Study on Future Land Use at the Ex-Lamma Quarry Area at Sok Kwu Wan, Lamma Island – Feasibility Study

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http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr12-13/english/panels/dev/papers/dev0122cb1-428-8-e.pdf

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Here's the only news clipping of the public forum last Sat I've seen so far, in Chinese:
http://news.mingpao.com/20130120/gba4.htm

It seems to have been a pretty controversial forum with 10 indigenous residents, led by the South Lamma District Councilor/Rural Committee Chairman, lobbying for the housing development, opposed by various green groups.

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There was a 3-minute segment on ATV news on Sat night, 7:30 and 11:00.

Soundbites from several local people, including Living Lamma members. Didn't see anyone speaking in favour and the reporter said the disagreement was "heated".

You can see it here at 2013-01-19 Part 1 from the program archive on ATV's site.

Starts about 3 minutes in.


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Videos from the press conference just before the public forum in City Gallery last Sat, Jan 19:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/2418687010

YouTube:
http://youtu.be/_QzWNgqO7xY
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"Planning & Engineering Study on Future Land use at
Lamma Ex-Quarry Area at Sok Kwu Wan, Lamma Island

Paper for Submission 22nd January 2013


Thank you as members of the Development Panel of LegCo for taking the time to read this, we believe, informative document before you consider the CEDD/PlanD proposal for the Lamma Ex-Quarry.

The Site

The Lamma Ex-Quarry consists of a 20 ha platform, 5 ha lake, 9.5 ha slope area and 1km (part natural) shoreline (a coastal protection zone).
The only government proposal for this recreational and nature resource that government has expended considerable resources in reinstating a natural environment, is for residential and commercial use either with or without a hotel and marina.

Housing

We acknowledge there is a need for housing (in particular public housing), but also that its delivery needs to be logical, reasonable, economically and sustainably viable, and that decisions need to be evidence based, transparent and democratically inclusive.

The CE’s stated housing need is for low income housing, yet this proposal to utilize public funds and government resources is for subsidized (household income below HK$40,000 pcm) and private housing (presumably for household incomes above HK$40,000 pcm). With a median household income of some HK$12,000 pcm, placing a public housing development at a location where there is little or no appropriate employment and the ferry costs are in the region of HK$1,000 per person pcm is illogical, so why the rush to develop this site?

If the proposal proceeds with a population over 5,000 there will be an additional high cost of laying a new undersea fresh water pipe (no costs have been estimated by the consultants), if 5,000 or less what is the cost per capita for the essential infrastructure (sewerage, gas, electricity, emergency services, water) make it economically viable? If economic viability is in question then should we be advocating breaching of the existing visionary “Outline Zoning Plan” (height, type, plot density and location) to facilitate unsustainable development? Is the tangible benefit to the community or to a single or small group of developers and landowners?

Consultation

We are concerned that the long standing government policy of engaging in “small circle” consultation with multiple committees consisting of the same Rural Committee and District Council members is “a consultation in name only” (a point illustrated in Ming Pao 20th January 2013). It was apparent that the majority of the attendees’ at all three public consultation meetings understand that development should be for the overall benefit of the community, not a minority lobby (developers) and should be balanced against other risks and benefits, including the sustainability of Hong Kong’s environmental resources, of which Lamma is an important part.

The EIA was initiated in June 2011, but has yet to report. The study team’s focus on the quarry area does not take into account the impact on the island, particularly bearing in mind that current environmental controls are so weak that no meaningful protection is provided (numerous examples can be cited).

The Public Consultation period (held over the Christmas and New Year holidays) finishes on the 6th February 2013, but has been conducted without the benefit of any EIA, environmental, ecological, biodiversity, social, local housing demand, logistical or infrastructural impact reports being made available. Thus there is no evidence or support for any proposal beyond that tenuously provided by the existence of the land itself. In effect the residents and public in general are being asked to approve a single concept plan without the knowledge required to make such an important decision, or understand the impact it may have.

Essential Community Services

The limited community support (most residents oppose the proposal) is based on the belief that increasing the population will enhance facilities, particularly medical, from a doctor two days a week to a hospital. This will not be achieved (Yung Shue Wan has ~5,000 residents and a 5½ day clinic); however, a sensible reallocation of existing budget could provide a dramatically enhanced resource with both a 24 hour doctor service and essential evacuation provision for a similar or reduced cost to the public purse. The current push for population is based on the outdated methodology used by Government to allocate resources based purely on numbers rather than needs.

Conclusion

The current process, like so many recently conducted by government, is fatally flawed in that:<UL COMPACT><LI>A single option (residential) has been pre-selected, no other options are available;
<LI>No evidence is available to support the project, or even analysis to validate mitigation of harm;
<LI>The CE’s intent to provide public housing will not be assuaged by this proposal;
<LI>No reports or analysis have been produced addressing the wide-ranging impact;
<LI>No economic viability plans have been examined or released;
<LI>The project is being pushed through without proper or appropriate consideration.</UL>Please take this opportunity to vote for a proper, open and accountable consultation process that examines all the facts and allows for rational, reasoned decisions to be made with appropriate and timely democratic input by the community.

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ATV news report about the ex-Lamma Quarry public forums:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzILEO7dxGs

More videos from the 3 public consultations, posted by PositiveLamma:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PositiveLamma?feature=watch

Deadline for public comments: Feb 6,
either through the official feedback channels: http://www.ex-lammaquarry.hk/contact.html,
or write a "complaint" to "tellme@1823.gov.hk", or both.

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See what I just got from the YMCA.

It looks like they're making good use of their brand-new Outdoor Centre inside the ex-Lamma Quarry, but only during school holidays:

Deadline for comments on the future of the Quarry: next Wed, Feb 6, see details in message above.


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Deadline to send comments about the ex-Lamma Quarry housing development is TODAY!

http://www.ex-lammaquarry.hk/contact.html

Here's the most comprehensive and informative feedback I've received so far:

http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/Lamma-Quarry/Submission-on-the-Lamma-Ex-Quarry-5-2-2013.pdf

Plus Living Lamma's extensive study and detailed comments on this project, submitted just yesterday:
http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/Lamma-Quarry/LivingLammaStage1ResponseFeb2013.3.pdf

Any other comments you'd like to add here publicly, please?

Even after the deadline yesterday, comments are still welcome and will be considered and integrated into the feedback summary.

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The public consultation has ended now. Comments are still being accepted, but probably filed away without any major impact on the final decision.

The ex-Anderson Quarry has been announced to be built up to house 8,000 (?) people yesterday. My best guess would be that the decision for the middle of the three options for the ex-Lamma Quarry, 5,000 residents, might be announced later this year.

I hope I'll be wrong, but attending 3 out of the 4 public and NGO consultations doesn't fill me with any confidence that I'm wrong. The housing demand all over HK looks overwhelming and other options to fill it, like reclamations, land rezoning or buying back land will all face even stiffer opposition; all alternatives will be be much more difficult to implement than building in the ex-Lamma Quarry. The Govt. might well decide to go for one of the easiest and quickest ways to build new housing.

The long-term planning is already well advanced and the most extreme example I've seen so far is this "Future MTR map" of beyond 2020, from a non-official source (KJ9384LC) in the Hong Wrong blog:
http://hongwrong.com/blog-map-of-the-future-mtr

A bit of Googling finds that this designer is a professional, HK-based transportation designer, creating these beautiful maps worldwide:
Leocheng1998 on Facebook and http://blog.yahoo.com/_5CGPOV4OTJUJPDPU4WJE7HRL3I. A larger and more detailed map is here.

It includes a "Yung Shue Wan" station and even a further "Lamma Island" station which would probably be the ex-Lamma Quarry site.

Of 3 different maps, this is the only one connecting Lamma Island (it even connects Cheung Chau to Lantau and Po Toi (another suggested land reclamation site for housing). Lamma MTR stations are certainly a far-fetched and unlikely scenario in the next ten years, but not beyond possibility beyond that. It's technically feasible to build, according to an MTR South Island (to Ap Lei Chau) senior engineer I've talked to recently. The Hong Wrong blog says:

"Some of these future MTR links are confirmed, some are under construction and some probably complete fantasy. More information and maps at the Wikipedia page on Future Projects of the MTR."


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Well, this map got the discussion going, but only on Facebook so far.

If you consider this map as a fake, here's one more from the same professional transportation map designer. It's from the BVE train simulator - http://www.railserve.com/Computers/BVE/ - www.bvehk.net - but it's got all the future MTR South Island line details correct as officially planned so far, it seems.

This is an alternative suggestion to the one above, connecting Lamma directly to the future Aberdeen MTR station, not extending the South Horizons MTR line like above. But what's "Control Island"?

These two maps simply show that this idea of a Lamma MTR stop, looking so ridiculous and far-fetched now, is not beyond the realms of possibility and long-term HK city planners are probably considering it. But it would need a massive population increase on Lamma first, many times more residents, to make these ideas ever viable.


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Here's one more of the many ways the ex-Lamma Quarry has been used for in the past, besides the YMCA Outdoor Centre, hiking, jogging, mountainbiking (including lake jumping), swimming, etc.:

Lamma Island War Game Venue

This is an amazing series of 360-degree, high-res, interactive photos of a dozen or so locations all around South Lamma, linked by a navigable Google Map, so you can move around, zoom in and "fly" from one location to the next.

Click on open map on the left edge of the full-screen and follow the arrows in the scenes to move to other locations.
It works and looks pretty amazing, especially when you know all of these locations pretty well, like me; or if you don't, discover some more spots of our still amazing island and turn around 360 degrees and zoom in to enjoy the extremely detailed views.

The War Games venue .. it's been used quite a few times in the past, mostly by off-islanders, I've heard - it's inside the abandoned huge halls of the ex-Cement Factory, part of the ex-Lamma Quarry, see below.

As there seems to be some development happening now by the Japanese co. owning most of the ex-Cement Factory area, no more war games are likely to happen there anymore in the future.

Plus a lot more, static panoramic photos of the area in and around the ex-Lamma Quarry and up the very steep front, right up from Sok Kwu Wan to the top of Ling Kok Shan, a definitely non-touristy path with amazing views, highly recommend by myself. This photo forum also talks (in Chin.) about the War Game relics they found inside the ex-Cement Factory:

http://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=21467814


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Email from YMCA:

They've set up a "YMCA Lamma Island Outdoor Centre" Facebook group. So if you're curious about what youth activities they're organising in there, check it out. Lots of great having-fun-in-the-ex-Quarry photos as well:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/YMCA-Lamma-Island-Outdoor-Centre/149713801861564


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Today in the SCMP:

Lamma quarry site could be an environmental Eden

Andy Cornish and Jo Wilson argue that by approving a housing development for the Lamma quarry site, the government would be passing up a great environmental opportunity


Wednesday, 15 May, 2013, 3:07am, by Andy Cornish and Jo Wilson

The first 10 months of the new administration has seen the Environment Bureau lay out more ambitious plans to tackle a swathe of environmental issues than we've seen in the previous five years, and an unprecedented level of collaboration with other bureaus on issues including air pollution and marine litter.

We have a long way to go before the new initiatives bite, as the shocking air pollution demonstrates, but Hong Kong has the expertise and resources to become Asia's greenest city within a decade. Nothing less should be our goal.

However, society can only be expected to respond en masse and get behind the policies if change is palpable, and for that we need physical structures that demonstrate that change is real, and here to stay. Cutting-edge office buildings equipped with futuristic turbines, green facades and other visible innovations in the heart of our commercial districts would be one example.

Changing human behaviour is notoriously difficult, but as adults we will also need to adjust to new realities of constrained natural resources, and other limits to our development. Life has become so complex that adults will need education too. The world simply doesn't have the luxury of time to wait until our enlightened youngsters become tomorrow's decision-makers.

There is an incredible opportunity to address these challenges and add real value to Hong Kong and it has been sitting right under our noses for years - at the old quarry site across from Sok Kwu Wan on Lamma Island. The Lamma quarry was rehabilitated in 2002 and is a 20-hectare site with a man-made lake inhabited by egrets and other wildlife.

The government is currently deciding what to do with the site and has conducted the first stage of a public consultation. Sadly, Hong Kong is in danger of missing a fabulous opportunity to create a flagship project to transform attitudes and behaviour in conjunction with the community.

Instead, three options for development have been presented for the rubber stamp - all versions of the same design featuring a mix of housing, restaurants, waterfront promenade, and a water sports facility. The unique nature of Lamma as the car-free, biodiverse "back-garden" of Hong Kong is recognised and then ignored as the development options mimic Discovery Bay, with housing for 2,800 to 7,000 people proposed.

No doubt Hong Kong has major housing issues, but adding housing to every available site, especially one with only ferry access, is no way to go about things strategically.

A far more suitable inspiration point lies further afield - at the Eden Project in Cornwall, England. This world leader in environmental education, with its distinctive biodomes, was established in an abandoned quarry in 2001, has become a "national treasure" and has won many awards.

It attracts more than a million visitors a year and has generated £1.2 billion (HK$14.3 billion) in new wealth for Cornwall since opening. Fundamentally, it seeks to connect people with nature.

To imagine the ripple effect a Lamma Eden project could generate, as the first of its kind in Asia, think about the Wetland Park in Tin Shui Wai, which is much more of a niche market in scope. Successful in itself as a visitor attraction, with around 450,000 visitors annually, it was one of the first of its kind in China, and has inspired many others: there are some 298 National Wetland Parks in China, and at least 100 more at provincial level.

The opportunity to partner directly with the Eden Project is very real. The project's founder, Tim Smit, has said that not only is the Eden Project looking to spread its vision in other countries, but Hong Kong would be of great interest if it was part of a credible sustainable development plan and if resources were available.

It is clear from the consultation hearings that the public is not opposed to developing the quarry, but is concerned that the best use be made of the unique site, and of the limited options presented.

Villagers at Sok Kwu Wan understandably want better ferry services, medical services and economic opportunities. Few of the environmentalists were totally against development in the quarry, but many had serious concerns about the concrete-pouring options, the impact on the rest of the island and the quarry wildlife, not to mention the Civil Engineering and Development Department's intention and ability to execute a project with sensitivity and in tune with Lamma. A mutually beneficial solution is clear, and one that can even enhance wildlife.

The chief executive's election mani-festo stated that, "Going forward, policies should be formulated from a sustainable development perspective … We need to reinforce public education, raise the entire community's awareness of environmental protection and make concerted efforts to discharge our duty as global citizens."

The Lamma site offers the opportunity to do just that, and on a globally significant scale. Will we take advantage, or close our eyes and leave it to others?

Andy Cornish, PhD, is an independent advocate for sustainable development. Jo Wilson is the chairman of Living Lamma.<HR>
Meanwhile, the YMCA Outdoor Centre in the ex-Lamma Quarry has launched a website - http://www.ymcahk.org.hk/lamma - and will have a Camp Grand Opening & Open House on June 30. Lamma residents will be welcome and sampans from Sok Kwu Wan side will be provided.


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What I don't get about the quarry is how come the previous tenant of the site was allowed to just up and leave leaving behind disused machinery, buildings and other waste. No doubt the government (read taxpayer) will now have to pay to have this very large scale waste removed. Surely this should have been the responsibility of the company that put it there.


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