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Deadline to send comments about the ex-Lamma Quarry housing development is TODAY!

http://www.ex-lammaquarry.hk/contact.html

Here's the most comprehensive and informative feedback I've received so far:

http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/Lamma-Quarry/Submission-on-the-Lamma-Ex-Quarry-5-2-2013.pdf

Plus Living Lamma's extensive study and detailed comments on this project, submitted just yesterday:
http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/Blog/Lamma-Quarry/LivingLammaStage1ResponseFeb2013.3.pdf

Any other comments you'd like to add here publicly, please?

Even after the deadline yesterday, comments are still welcome and will be considered and integrated into the feedback summary.

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The public consultation has ended now. Comments are still being accepted, but probably filed away without any major impact on the final decision.

The ex-Anderson Quarry has been announced to be built up to house 8,000 (?) people yesterday. My best guess would be that the decision for the middle of the three options for the ex-Lamma Quarry, 5,000 residents, might be announced later this year.

I hope I'll be wrong, but attending 3 out of the 4 public and NGO consultations doesn't fill me with any confidence that I'm wrong. The housing demand all over HK looks overwhelming and other options to fill it, like reclamations, land rezoning or buying back land will all face even stiffer opposition; all alternatives will be be much more difficult to implement than building in the ex-Lamma Quarry. The Govt. might well decide to go for one of the easiest and quickest ways to build new housing.

The long-term planning is already well advanced and the most extreme example I've seen so far is this "Future MTR map" of beyond 2020, from a non-official source (KJ9384LC) in the Hong Wrong blog:
http://hongwrong.com/blog-map-of-the-future-mtr

A bit of Googling finds that this designer is a professional, HK-based transportation designer, creating these beautiful maps worldwide:
Leocheng1998 on Facebook and http://blog.yahoo.com/_5CGPOV4OTJUJPDPU4WJE7HRL3I. A larger and more detailed map is here.

It includes a "Yung Shue Wan" station and even a further "Lamma Island" station which would probably be the ex-Lamma Quarry site.

Of 3 different maps, this is the only one connecting Lamma Island (it even connects Cheung Chau to Lantau and Po Toi (another suggested land reclamation site for housing). Lamma MTR stations are certainly a far-fetched and unlikely scenario in the next ten years, but not beyond possibility beyond that. It's technically feasible to build, according to an MTR South Island (to Ap Lei Chau) senior engineer I've talked to recently. The Hong Wrong blog says:

"Some of these future MTR links are confirmed, some are under construction and some probably complete fantasy. More information and maps at the Wikipedia page on Future Projects of the MTR."


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Well, this map got the discussion going, but only on Facebook so far.

If you consider this map as a fake, here's one more from the same professional transportation map designer. It's from the BVE train simulator - http://www.railserve.com/Computers/BVE/ - www.bvehk.net - but it's got all the future MTR South Island line details correct as officially planned so far, it seems.

This is an alternative suggestion to the one above, connecting Lamma directly to the future Aberdeen MTR station, not extending the South Horizons MTR line like above. But what's "Control Island"?

These two maps simply show that this idea of a Lamma MTR stop, looking so ridiculous and far-fetched now, is not beyond the realms of possibility and long-term HK city planners are probably considering it. But it would need a massive population increase on Lamma first, many times more residents, to make these ideas ever viable.


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Here's one more of the many ways the ex-Lamma Quarry has been used for in the past, besides the YMCA Outdoor Centre, hiking, jogging, mountainbiking (including lake jumping), swimming, etc.:

Lamma Island War Game Venue

This is an amazing series of 360-degree, high-res, interactive photos of a dozen or so locations all around South Lamma, linked by a navigable Google Map, so you can move around, zoom in and "fly" from one location to the next.

Click on open map on the left edge of the full-screen and follow the arrows in the scenes to move to other locations.
It works and looks pretty amazing, especially when you know all of these locations pretty well, like me; or if you don't, discover some more spots of our still amazing island and turn around 360 degrees and zoom in to enjoy the extremely detailed views.

The War Games venue .. it's been used quite a few times in the past, mostly by off-islanders, I've heard - it's inside the abandoned huge halls of the ex-Cement Factory, part of the ex-Lamma Quarry, see below.

As there seems to be some development happening now by the Japanese co. owning most of the ex-Cement Factory area, no more war games are likely to happen there anymore in the future.

Plus a lot more, static panoramic photos of the area in and around the ex-Lamma Quarry and up the very steep front, right up from Sok Kwu Wan to the top of Ling Kok Shan, a definitely non-touristy path with amazing views, highly recommend by myself. This photo forum also talks (in Chin.) about the War Game relics they found inside the ex-Cement Factory:

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Email from YMCA:

They've set up a "YMCA Lamma Island Outdoor Centre" Facebook group. So if you're curious about what youth activities they're organising in there, check it out. Lots of great having-fun-in-the-ex-Quarry photos as well:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/YMCA-Lamma-Island-Outdoor-Centre/149713801861564


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Today in the SCMP:

Lamma quarry site could be an environmental Eden

Andy Cornish and Jo Wilson argue that by approving a housing development for the Lamma quarry site, the government would be passing up a great environmental opportunity


Wednesday, 15 May, 2013, 3:07am, by Andy Cornish and Jo Wilson

The first 10 months of the new administration has seen the Environment Bureau lay out more ambitious plans to tackle a swathe of environmental issues than we've seen in the previous five years, and an unprecedented level of collaboration with other bureaus on issues including air pollution and marine litter.

We have a long way to go before the new initiatives bite, as the shocking air pollution demonstrates, but Hong Kong has the expertise and resources to become Asia's greenest city within a decade. Nothing less should be our goal.

However, society can only be expected to respond en masse and get behind the policies if change is palpable, and for that we need physical structures that demonstrate that change is real, and here to stay. Cutting-edge office buildings equipped with futuristic turbines, green facades and other visible innovations in the heart of our commercial districts would be one example.

Changing human behaviour is notoriously difficult, but as adults we will also need to adjust to new realities of constrained natural resources, and other limits to our development. Life has become so complex that adults will need education too. The world simply doesn't have the luxury of time to wait until our enlightened youngsters become tomorrow's decision-makers.

There is an incredible opportunity to address these challenges and add real value to Hong Kong and it has been sitting right under our noses for years - at the old quarry site across from Sok Kwu Wan on Lamma Island. The Lamma quarry was rehabilitated in 2002 and is a 20-hectare site with a man-made lake inhabited by egrets and other wildlife.

The government is currently deciding what to do with the site and has conducted the first stage of a public consultation. Sadly, Hong Kong is in danger of missing a fabulous opportunity to create a flagship project to transform attitudes and behaviour in conjunction with the community.

Instead, three options for development have been presented for the rubber stamp - all versions of the same design featuring a mix of housing, restaurants, waterfront promenade, and a water sports facility. The unique nature of Lamma as the car-free, biodiverse "back-garden" of Hong Kong is recognised and then ignored as the development options mimic Discovery Bay, with housing for 2,800 to 7,000 people proposed.

No doubt Hong Kong has major housing issues, but adding housing to every available site, especially one with only ferry access, is no way to go about things strategically.

A far more suitable inspiration point lies further afield - at the Eden Project in Cornwall, England. This world leader in environmental education, with its distinctive biodomes, was established in an abandoned quarry in 2001, has become a "national treasure" and has won many awards.

It attracts more than a million visitors a year and has generated £1.2 billion (HK$14.3 billion) in new wealth for Cornwall since opening. Fundamentally, it seeks to connect people with nature.

To imagine the ripple effect a Lamma Eden project could generate, as the first of its kind in Asia, think about the Wetland Park in Tin Shui Wai, which is much more of a niche market in scope. Successful in itself as a visitor attraction, with around 450,000 visitors annually, it was one of the first of its kind in China, and has inspired many others: there are some 298 National Wetland Parks in China, and at least 100 more at provincial level.

The opportunity to partner directly with the Eden Project is very real. The project's founder, Tim Smit, has said that not only is the Eden Project looking to spread its vision in other countries, but Hong Kong would be of great interest if it was part of a credible sustainable development plan and if resources were available.

It is clear from the consultation hearings that the public is not opposed to developing the quarry, but is concerned that the best use be made of the unique site, and of the limited options presented.

Villagers at Sok Kwu Wan understandably want better ferry services, medical services and economic opportunities. Few of the environmentalists were totally against development in the quarry, but many had serious concerns about the concrete-pouring options, the impact on the rest of the island and the quarry wildlife, not to mention the Civil Engineering and Development Department's intention and ability to execute a project with sensitivity and in tune with Lamma. A mutually beneficial solution is clear, and one that can even enhance wildlife.

The chief executive's election mani-festo stated that, "Going forward, policies should be formulated from a sustainable development perspective … We need to reinforce public education, raise the entire community's awareness of environmental protection and make concerted efforts to discharge our duty as global citizens."

The Lamma site offers the opportunity to do just that, and on a globally significant scale. Will we take advantage, or close our eyes and leave it to others?

Andy Cornish, PhD, is an independent advocate for sustainable development. Jo Wilson is the chairman of Living Lamma.<HR>
Meanwhile, the YMCA Outdoor Centre in the ex-Lamma Quarry has launched a website - http://www.ymcahk.org.hk/lamma - and will have a Camp Grand Opening & Open House on June 30. Lamma residents will be welcome and sampans from Sok Kwu Wan side will be provided.


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What I don't get about the quarry is how come the previous tenant of the site was allowed to just up and leave leaving behind disused machinery, buildings and other waste. No doubt the government (read taxpayer) will now have to pay to have this very large scale waste removed. Surely this should have been the responsibility of the company that put it there.


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There's nothing left inside the quarry as far a as I'm aware.

You might refer to the privately owned area around the former Asano Cement Factory, not the Govt.-owned quarry behind it. That area is zoned as Commercial Development Area (potentially shopping malls, businesses, restaurants, etc.) The owners are probably looking eagerly forward to whatever the Govt. will be building in the ex-Quarry area behind it.

They also own the only access from the front and from Lo So Shing/Sok Kwu Wan to the quarry area, including the pier, so everybody will have to go through their land, making it even more precious and well worth their long wait since the quarry closed down over 15 years ago.

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Ah I see that is where I meant I thought it was the processing part of the quarry. Thanks for clarifying.


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More details about the Lamma Outdoor Centre grand opening on June 20:

"The sampan will pick guests up at the Sok Kwu Wan Ferry Pier. We are going to talk to the person in charge and see if we can have the sampan booked for the whole day. I will keep you updated on this.

For activities, as a little preview, we're going to have the lake open (bring your swimsuits!), a big play field for camp games, campfire (s'mores anyone?), a gardening field, and many other traditional camp activities. We are also going to have guides on the day who will take groups around for a tour on our campsite."


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Just got my media invitation. Everybody welcome, especially Lamma residents!
This might be your last chance to visit the quarry as it'll be officially closed to the public afterwards.

The Govt. holds the YMCA fully responsible for what's happening in there as they have another 1.5 years of "exclusive use" of the ex-quarry (NOT including the privately-owned ex-Cement Factory area). There'll be children playing sports and camping in there frequently this summer. Free-running dogs, speeding mountainbikers and other "potential dangers" will have to be kept out.

You could still sneak into this huge area for a leisurely hike, ride or jog after the official opening, but be prepared to be stopped and asked to leave. Or you might be able to get a temporary permit from the future YMCA counter in Sok Kwu Wan.

Bring your swimming trunks on Jun 30 if you'd like to take a dip in the rainwater lake with its own little island.

More info: http://www.ymcahk.org.hk/lamma


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YMCA Camp Grand Opening this Sunday, see above.

But dogs won't be welcome in the quarry anymore, as the YMCA just wrote, after some of my dog-walking friends wanted to attend the grand opening:

"For their dogs, apologized that we cannot allow their pets to enter our campsite, since some participating children may fear the dogs.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused."


One of my friends wrote back:
"Speaking strictly for my dog and myself, we'll give it a miss. As a matter of principle, we choose to boycott any activity or group that takes an unfriendly-to-dogs attitude."

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This is an original YMCA camp Progress Report card. Yes, they do Reports for the parents afterwards, even for the youngest children!

Behave well at the Grand Opening in the ex-Lamma Quarry tomorrow, listen to the counselors and follow their directions, otherwise you might get a Report card with the ticks in the wrong boxes!


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So if they are afraid of pet dogs how are they with wild pigs and snakes?


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