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| Author: | jessie [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | clean coal technology???? |
Hi, I wanted if anyone has more update on the following about installing new equipment in lamma power station in the 1st phase project aiming at reducing emission of gases that contribute to smog and acid rain. The installation of gas desulfurisation system??? "Lamma Island power station cleans up its act to meet pollution-reduction targets Jul 7th, 2009 by admin." 
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| Author: | shapogung [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
The thing I am concerned about is their slag heap on the other side of Sha Po. I suspect that coal dust blows directly off this and gets into our air. Probably as <pm2.5 as well. |
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| Author: | Alan [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
shapogung {L_WROTE}: The thing I am concerned about is their slag heap on the other side of Sha Po. I suspect that coal dust blows directly off this and gets into our air. Probably as <pm2.5 as well. The "heap" is coal, not slag. The slag is in the settling pond. And they have sprinklers to wet the coal dust down. pm2.5 is a product of burning, much too small to be seen, let alone pile in a heap. Any of that that gets past the filters is going up the chimneys and coming down far away from here, not in our back yards. |
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| Author: | shapogung [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
Thanks Alan for your typically pedantic reply. Obviously what I am concerned about is the dust. Not whether it is defined as coal or slag. I do not believe the spraying is effective as I get black residue which looks suspiciously like coal dust on my balcony. Unless it is soot, which means the chimneys are blowing back. As for the size of the particles, I agree that the ones you can see are bigger than 2.5u but coal dust can be as small as 1u. Source <url> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/parti ... d_934.html</url> |
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| Author: | Alan [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
shapogung {L_WROTE}: Thanks Alan for your typically pedantic reply. Meaning you don't care about the actual facts, just want affirmation of your preconceptions. You could take some samples of your "black residue" to somewhere that can test it. Or just continue to air your "suspicions" in a web forum and sneer at me if you prefer. |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
There have been several tests of suspicious black dust on Lamma rooftops done over the years, but none has found it to be mainly coal/slag/soot, just the usual "suspended particles" found in air all over HK, according to HK Electric. It would be interesting to do a new, independent test and publicise the detailed test results. Probably quite expensive? |
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| Author: | shapogung [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
LG, yes you can hardly trust a survey commissioned by the suspected polluter. I've seen various tests over the years and local labs have a habit of giving non specific banal statements when in fact they lack the ability to do deeper analysis. Normally when it comes to black soot or black dust the immediate suspect is diesel. I used to live under the flight path of Kai Tak and for years I thought it was aircraft fuel residue which made my curtains black...but double decker Euro zero buses passing by every 5 minutes were the more likely suspects. In the absence of local diesel polluters, the next suspect surely is the only industrial facility on Lamma, which happens to be a coal fired power station. I don't think the black stuff has been deposited by the birds. |
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| Author: | SSL956 [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
I'm sure the huge tankers passing by several times an hour contribute some what as well. |
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| Author: | Alan [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
shapogung {L_WROTE}: I don't think the black stuff has been deposited by the birds. Therefore it must be the "slag". QED. shapogung {L_WROTE}: yes you can hardly trust a survey commissioned by the suspected polluter. In China. In Hong Kong, they would surely spin the results but you really think a company like HKE would commit fraud, when it could be caught out and sued for huge amounts? We still have laws and courts here. I'm as mistrustful of authority as anyone, but isn't worth a criminal conspiracy to cover up your dirty balcony. shapogung {L_WROTE}: In the absence of local diesel polluters |
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| Author: | SSL956 [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
Interesting read: http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ |
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| Author: | shapogung [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
I would accept that bunker fuel used by ships and ferries is a major polluter in Hong Kong, but prevailing winds would not carry pollution from the Lamma Channel onto my balcony. I still suspect the power station, which is much closer. Anyone who has worked with consultants knows that results can be massaged without committing fraud. Its a case of he who pays the piper calls the tune. Alan..Why would you think that my concern about pollution is only personal to me? |
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| Author: | Alan [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
shapogung {L_WROTE}: I would accept that bunker fuel used by ships and ferries is a major polluter in Hong Kong, but prevailing winds would not carry pollution from the Lamma Channel onto my balcony. I still suspect the power station, which is much closer. Case closed then. Just print out your opinion and take it to court and shut the power plant down. They can't beat that kind of evidence. shapogung {L_WROTE}: Alan..Why would you think that my concern about pollution is only personal to me? I never said or implied whatever that means. |
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| Author: | shapogung [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
I tell you what Alan. I'm fed up with your unnecessary remarks. Like many people before me, I've actually had enough. You'll soon only have yourself to moderate. |
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| Author: | Alan [ Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: clean coal technology???? |
shapogung {L_WROTE}: I tell you what Alan. I'm fed up with your unnecessary remarks. Like many people before me, I've actually had enough. You'll soon only have yourself to moderate. This is a forum, where free discussion is the name of the game. If you don't like that you could just write a blog where you can delete any "unnecessary" comments that contradict you. |
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