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| Author: | Alan [ Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ching Ming -- Fire prevention |
Kevin Sinclair, the SCMP columnist, is preparing a story on the (lack of) prevention of fires at grave-sweeping festivals Kevin Sinclair {L_WROTE}: From: <a href="mailto:kevsin@pacific.net.hk">kevsin@pacific.net.hk</a> Subject: please copy to Fire Services, EPD, PPRB GFS and the four district officers listed Cc: <a href="mailto:patrick_cp_ho@hab.gov.hk">patrick ho HomeAffairs</a>, <a href="mailto:shelley_lee@hab.gov.hk">shelley lee-hab.gov.hk</a>, <a href="mailto:hh_wong@had.gov.hk">hh_wong@had.gov.hk</a>, <a href="mailto:peter_pf_chan@had.gov.hk">peter_pf_chan@had.gov.hk</a> THIS HAS GONE TO POLICE, HOME AFFAIRS, O,BUDSMAN ETC ETC ETC ETC EPD - FOR ALL THE GOOD THAT WILL DO..... AFCD ETC ETC ETC Several months ago I sent messages to various rurual District Officers and to police, fire, government flying services, Home Affairs and other agencies, including EPD. I am sending this again (below) and also plan to send it to various environmental and concerned conservation groups as well as to the Ombudsman’s Office. I asked at that time, after disastrous hillfires had destroyed millions of trees if the District Officers who are directly responsible for the areas of hillside most likely to be burnt again, planned to take action. If so, what would they do? Would they contact rural committees and village representatives and warn them to tell grave sweepers not to burn offerings in a dangerous way? Would they ask police to lay on special patrols to inspect known grave sites and to prevent throughout and irresponsible people from lighting fires? What I would now like before the Ching Ming Festival in April if to receive an assurance that the District Officers concerned have done their job and have taken action. I would like to write a letter in praise of them for the action they have taken to prevent hillside fires over Ching Ming. Can they please gove me specific details of what they have done and what preventive measures are in place to stop fires on April 5. Kevin Sinclair SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST Kevin Sinclair, Columnist November 11 2004 PETER CHAN DISTRICT OFFICER SAI KUNG OWIN FUNG DISTRICT OFFICER ISLANDS CHARLES CHAN DISTRICT OFFICER TAI PO WONG HON-HO DISTRICT OFFICER NORTH Good morning I would like answers to the following questions. There were six million square meters of bushland destroyed on Chung Yeung Festival day on October 22. Much of this devastation was in the areas for which you are responsible. 1. Did you warn villagers in your district about the laws governing setting hill fires? 2. If so, what did you tell them and when? 3. If not, why not? 4. As District Officers, you know precisely where the graves are where worshippers go each festival and where they light fires. Did you station any of your staff at these places during the Chung Yeung festival? If not, why not. 5. With the certain knowledge that the very same irresponsible and negligent people will return to the same graves to light offerings and cause further destruction of the environment, will you promise the public that next Ching Ming festival you will warn the relatives of the dead in advance and station officers at gravesites to prevent people from breaking the law. 6. How many people did your office report to police for breaking the laws governing starting fires? 7. If you have any further information, amplification or explanation to add that will help me write a balanced and fair account, please let me have it. Kevin Sinclair CC: Patrick Ho, Fire Services, EPD, PPRB, GFS Followed up by: Kevin Sinclair {L_WROTE}: This has been sent to DR PATRICK HO, PERMANENT SECRETARY SHELLEY LEE AND THE DIRECTOR OF HOME AFFAIRS MS PAMELA TAN.
Greetings fellow conservationists ... the annual big burn approaches; it's Ching Ming on April 5. The following letter has been sent to the three top officials in Home Affairs which is in charge of the District Offices. I wrote to rural District Officers after the last graves sweeping festival saw hundreds of acres of hillsides obliterated. No answer from these fellows, of course; they're all too busy going to tea with rural committee leaders to think of doing their jobs. I have also written similarly to police, fire, AFCD and Government Air Services. Can I ask you please to help me. I want to do a blistering (pun intended) column for next Wednesday. Can members of environmental groups please send me comments on the situation - and what you would like to see done. Stanley Chan and James Wong of We Love Mau Ping intend to patrol gravesite areas and take pictures of people lighting dangerous fires. This is a great idea. I intend to go around with my mobile phone and make a damn nuisance of myself to Sai Kung Police by reporting every illegal fire I see. What will you be doing? Ideas and comments - please email me with them. And let's all pray for a cloudburst. Regards Kevin Attention DR PATRICK HO Secretary for Home Affairs Dear Patrick, Greetings, I read with great interest your story in today’s SCMPost headlined the green, green grass of home. I agree entirely; we are most fortunate in being able to enjoy a wonderful natural environment. But we are destroying it. Every grave sweeping festival people foolishly, thoughtlessly and irresponsibly light incense and burn offerings which inevitably turn our hillsides into smouldering wastelands. During Ching Ming 2003, 84 fires destroyed 2,283,769 square metres of hillsides. About 96 per cent of the charred land is outside country parks, making it the responsibility of local district offices. After further fires at Chung Yeung festival, I wrote to various District Offices pointing out the danger of fires in rural areas because of the persistent but illegal practice of worshippings lighting incense while praying at graves. I asked what they intended to do to limit damage to the environment during the coming Ching Ming festival. There was no response. Patrick, I beg you, as Secretary for Home Affairs, to issue strict directives to District Officers, particularly those in Islands, North, Sai Kung, Tai Po, Sha Tin and Tsun Wan to collaborate with police, fire services, Government Flying Service, AFCD and other agencies (perhaps the CAS could be involved) to patrol known grave sites and take preventive action. If people light fires which could spread, they should be warned and the fires put out. If people cause hillfires, they should be arrested and charged. In past years, thousands of hectares of forests and hillsides being destroyed, not one single person has been charged. Why not? Why are people allowed to continually, year after year, permitted to break the law with impunity and to destroy the beautiful environment which is so precious to so many Hongkongers. Can I please request that you let me know what action has been taken on this issue? District Officers have refused to answer questions explaining their continuing laxness. With best wishes Kevin Sinclair |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:04 pm ] |
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Maybe all these letters have had some effect, but just a tiny little one. For the first time ever this year (?), they'll put up signs in about 5 or 6 places over all of Lamma warning of the dangers of grave fires, according to our Main Street bulletin board. 5 or 6 signs for all of Lamma! This seems to be all the prevention we can expect for coming Ching Ming... I talked to Lammadonna two days ago, asking her if they'll do something else, like for example fire watches for Ching Ming. She just smiled and didn't reply anything concrete. I didn't have any interpreter with me, so she might not have understood me, but I got the distinct impression that the signs will be all the fire "prevention" we'll be getting for now. But we'll also get more trees later this year - according to Lammadonna, who was informed this time - in addtion to the 144,000 they just planted. They'll be planted by LCSD (Leisure & Cultural Services Dept.) along the tourist trail from Hung Shing Yeh to Sok Kwu Wan, covering up some bare, eroded slopes along the way. Let's hope not more trees will be burnt down this Ching Ming (Tue, April 5th) than they can plant. As nobody seems to be doing fire watches anymore these days - not even ABLE who did some in earlier years - any suggestions on how to deal with this regular & predictable threat? |
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| Author: | Alan [ Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:42 pm ] |
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Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}: Maybe all these letters have had some effect, but just a tiny little one.For the first time ever this year (?), they'll put up signs in about 5 or 6 places And they have the ads on TV too. So when we have 100 fires again this Ching Ming they'll be able to say they did their best. Even though not a single person will be prosecuted. Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}: I talked to Lammadonna two days ago, asking her if they'll do something else, for example fire watches for Ching Ming. She just smiled and didn't reply anything concrete. Concrete is her solution to fire. Remove all the trees and you don't have any fire. Sorry, but I can't believe she will ever lift a finger to preserve the countryside. At least her friends earn some money by putting up the futile and no doubt ugly signs on the hillsides. She won't spend a cent to save trees. If the fire department and GFS spend millions putting them out, that's not her problem. Lamma-Gung {L_WROTE}: more trees later this year - according to Lammadonna, who was informed this time - in addtion to the 144,000 they just planted. They'll be planted by LCSD (Leisure & Cultural Services Dept.) along the tourist trail from Hung Shing Yeh to Sok Kwu Wan, covering up some bare, eroded slopes along the way. I think this is ancillary to the (quite unnecessary) rebuilding and widening of the path, the engineers said they'd be doing some replanting.
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Lamma's trees have been saved! |
<img src="http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma/34/Prevent-Fire-4177.jpg" align=left hspace=10 vspace=4">Lamma's trees have been saved! These flags have been hoisted along the ferry pier and in 5 carefully selected spots all over the island. The fire bugs sweeping graves at Ching Ming will surely be mightily impressed by these impressive fire-red flags and be mightily afraid of setting any fires to our hillsides, unlike in most previous years! These flags look like such an impressive & highly effective fire prevention measure, nothing else will be required to stop fires spreading, no fire watches, no law enforcement to catch the offenders, nothing else at all... And that is exactly what we'll be getting from the authorities to help prevent fires: nothing else! |
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| Author: | Alan [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:10 pm ] |
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The flags look like they're made of nice flammable nylon. Anyone care to test them with a cigarette lighter? The <a href="http://www.weather.org.hk/currenthk.html"> weather prediction</a> is currently "Mainly cloudy with a few rain patches" for April 5th, so that's our best chance for surviving. A good downpour is our only hope. |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:38 pm ] |
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Alan {L_WROTE}: Anyone care to test them with a cigarette lighter?
Alan! That is a very very naughty suggestion, very untypical of you! We could never condone such a despicable act! But if some horrible, naughty person would do something unthinkable like that, would they shoot a photo of it? For the "Typically Lamma" photo gallery... But we'd never, EVER support or encourage any such action in any way, of course! |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:01 pm ] |
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There were at least 50 hill fires all over HK yesterday, almost all caused by Ching Ming festival grave-sweepers. Any fires on Lamma Island or have we been lucky this time? Maybe the "Prevent Fire" flags flying at all ferry piers actually worked? |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:36 pm ] | ||
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Any hill fires on Lamma today, Chung Yeung? Or did all the highly effective, comprehensive and pro-active prevention measures - like the heli loudspeakers and the posters and banners, see below - finally work and make the firebugs repent, reconsider and mend their evil ways, taking care not to burn down our hillsides at least twice a year? Pretty banner, though, looking very environmentally-friendly, but printed on plastic with toxic paints and surely discarded into the rubbish bins afterwards, not recycled... No typos, so it might not be one of Lammadonna's own banners... Let's sponsor a banner that says something like "Enough with all these f*&^%$ huge banners already!", which are trying to appeal to people's goodwill or the Grazier Union & co. claiming credit for some thing or the other...
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:15 am ] |
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Another year, another Chung Yeung Festival. But this year we're getting a bit more concrete action. Following our suggestions in a little bilingual billage meeting, the Conservancy Association is sending over some volunteers on 29. and 30. Oct, Chung Yeung and the day before: <img src="http://www.compunicate.com/Lamma-zine/Blog/no-hillfire-poster.gif" border=1> They're looking for local volunteers, so if you care about this issue, call Doris now at 2272 0344 for more info or meet them at the YSW ferry pier on 29 and/or 30 Oct at 9am! From their bilingual leaflet: See more details in Lamma-zine the other day on 26. Oct. |
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| Author: | Alan [ Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:47 pm ] |
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Amazing. No hill fires last week. The Conservancy Assocaition ran with the ball and scored. (I like to think following my suggestion as to fire prevention being the greatest conservation issue here; but they did all the work.) Their method of co-opting the villagers seems to have been effective. Here's an article from Kevin Sinclair in today's SCMP: Kevin Sinclair {L_WROTE}: Every spring at Ching Ming and at Chung Yeung in autumn, precious hillside woodlands go up in flames. Everyone knows careless grave-sweepers will twice yearly spark blazes that sweep across country parks, leaving behind a charred and hideous wasteland.
But year after year the government seems unprepared for a disaster that everyone knows is going to happen. Over the recent Chung Yeung festival firemen counted 183 fires; 573 hectares were devastated. There was one exception to this gloomy scenario. As Sai Kung smouldered, Tai Mo Shan burned and fires swept perilously close to housing at Tuen Mun, the skies over Lamma Island were clear of smoke. There was not a single fire on the island, although scores of family parties lit incense and burned tomb-side offerings. What was the cause of this miracle? Well, surprise! It had nothing to do with the government. Several months ago, the Conservancy Association decided basic preventative action should be taken to dampen the grave-sweeping spirit. Chief executive Lister Cheung Lai-ping led a team of 20 volunteers to Lamma a week before the festival. They visited hamlets and put up posters saying: "We can stop hill fires." They pleaded with villagers to take care and to spread this warning to visiting clansmen coming to pay their respects. The day of the festival, 30 volunteer conservationists were posted on paths leading to the highland graves. They chatted to people heading to the hills, gave them bottles of water, offered to go with them to help cut long grass surrounding the graves. Such simple, inexpensive tactics worked. "It's obvious," says Ms Cheung. "What's the point of planting trees and preaching preservation if every year careless people start fires that destroy the countryside? We decided to do something positive." Their action puts the government to shame. The government claims to pay "great importance" to preserving hillsides and preventing fires during the grave-sweeping festivals. There's a nine-member "interdepartmental taskforce on hill fires". This year, they sought aid from the Heung Yee Kuk and district councils, ran publicity campaigns, put up posters and gave out leaflets. Hundreds of auxiliary volunteers were on duty, as were firemen, police, park wardens and helicopter pilots. Officials handed out leaflets to grave-sweepers. I reckon some of those came in handy to light fires at overgrown tombs. There were "shouts" from helicopters and warnings over radio. Home Affairs ran publicity drives. All was in vain. To me, the answer seems simple. Put uniformed patrols in the hills, spot people breaking the law. Drop patrols by helicopters and arrest them. Drag them to court, impose huge fines, make sure these anti-social louts appear on television and in the press. Name them, shame them, fine them and charge them for repairing the awful damage caused by their irresponsible stupidity. Do it once and the problem will end forever. Government agencies are obviously ineffectual. This is self-evident; look at blackened hillsides that will take decades to be reafforested. Efforts were made this year. These were not enough. If the government can't do the job, then let's empower competent people like the Conservancy Association and other green groups to do it. They were successful on Lamma this year. Can they do it all over Hong Kong? Let them try, I say. They are obviously more effective than government departments. Like Lamma, the entire countryside could be protected if government followed the example of this small, self-motivated group. Government has the full history of where fires take place during festivals. Every single grave is registered. The locations are known. They should station wardens in uniforms with binoculars and walkie-talkies within obvious sight on every path leading to every grave. This would save a huge amount of money. This year, Government Flying Services helicopters whirled overhead from morning until well after dark dumping water on blazing hillsides. Teams of firemen and Civil Aid Services volunteers tramped laboriously up the steep slopes to fight the blazes. Nobody seems to analyse the cost of this twice-yearly expenditure. It runs into many millions of dollars. There is also the expense of replanting tens of thousands of destroyed trees. And let's not forget the emotional and aesthetic costs of blackened hillsides and the loss of pleasure to the public. The hillsides belong to the people. It is our treasures that are violated twice yearly by thoughtless and foolish people. Don't let them get away with it. If the authorities can't do the job, which is obvious, put power in the hands of someone who can succeed. |
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| Author: | Lamma-Gung [ Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:31 pm ] | |||
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Yes, the Conservancy Association just sent me a thank-you email 1 hour ago for helping and consulting them with their action (Lamma-zine, Oct 26: "No Hillfire Campaign") and going along with one of their fire patrols on Chung Yeung to take pictures for them and the Lamma-zine: Doris, Conservancy Association {L_WROTE}: Dear Lamma-Gung,
Congratulations for our effort in preventing hill fires in Lamma Island! The "No Hillfire" Campaign in Chung Yeung Festival was a great success! Without your help, we could not have achieved our goal of preventing hillfire under such dry conditions. Cheers! Enclosed please find the news for your references. Would you mind sending me some pictures that you took when they are weeding or any other pics on that day. Thank you very much! But ALL the credit should go to the Conservancy Association and the HK Electric volunteers who did such a great job on Chung Yeung Day and the day before. They did a great job, working for free on a hot day up in our hills (behind Po Wah Yuen, Tai Peng, Yung Shue Long and Pak Kok, mostly). Yes, Alan, this was on your recommendation in our "village meeting" with the CA a few months back that got the ball rolling. A few weeks after that meeting, the CA decided to take action on Lamma first, setting a good example. I stayed in touch with them after the initial meeting, consulting them (dates of their actions, grave locations, promotion, etc.) and they took action! The CA tried to find local volunteers, asking me first, then Lammadonna, but we found only one local volunteer. So they went to HK Electric's Volunteer group (orange shirts) who joined the Conservancy Association's own people in this 2-day campaign. They also work together on the 3-year "Green Lamma Green" campaign, planting and maintaining trees up at the pavilion above Hung Shing Yeb beach, on the tourist trail to Sok Kwu Wan. SCMP link for the ones who have access to their website: http://columns.scmp.com/colart/kevin/ZZZ3KQL47UE.html Pictures to follow in today's Lamma-zine. I've got a back log of several photo shoots, so I didn't publish them till today. Here are the first ones:
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| Author: | soulkitchen [ Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:24 pm ] |
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What an amazing result!! many many thanks and congratulations all round. I remember how we looked forward to the annual conflagration with dread and would scramble teams of fire beaters to try to protect farmland and houses when the hillsides went up in smoke twice a year leaving us exhausted and filthy whilst official firefighters looked on in bemusement at our efforts. Delighted to hear that the Conservancy Association continues to champion important local environmental issues. Well done all. |
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