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Projects like the Bike Tree are becoming the norm in many cities, why not get HKF to consider these at their Island Piers


HKKF doesn't own, or control the pier, beyond their gates. It's nothing to do with them.

There isn't really a problem in parking bikes on the pier. They don't impede commuters, they can walk 8 abreast along the pier.

Hong Kong is not a city that encourages cycling. The planned bike park is a porkbarrel project, an excuse for the local moguls to get a few million to pour more concrete. There is no logic, no survey of needs, no consultation with users. In other words the same as for most projects in Hong Kong.

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HKF is taking a different view now, so something has to happen

What are you talking about? If you mean the clearance of old bikes, that happens about once a year. It's not a new policy, and it's not the ferry company that does that, but the police and some government departments.

However, I expect they will inflate it into a problem as a way to justify the bike parking construction.


then what's the real problem?

is it just this :

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There is no logic, no survey of needs, no consultation with users. In other words the same as for most projects in Hong Kong.


If its just clearing old bikes that have been left for ages, then there isn't an issue, if, it's more than that and all bikes were culled to support the planned construction then it stinks.

If pier parked bike numbers have increased in huge amount in the past 10 years, then a better solution is needed, if not its all hot air.
You suggest it hasn't, as you say the 8 abreast thing hasn't been affected by any parked bikes... so something's afoot right?

I sympathise with the revulsion for any more expanses of concrete , and that project granted. is up many noses... so where to from here?.

For those who oppose the bike park on that basis ,why not some pre-emptive noise/stats/research/facts /figures/solutions, at least it will prove the agenda of the concrete brigade and at best YSW might succeed in getting some precedents for sensible outcomes for once.

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Cyclists are a hazard and their constant demand for walkers to get out of the way is annoying.

In my book they shouldn't be allowed within the city limits (Power Station Road).


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Yes - lets ban bikes altogether - for a hundred years we and our forefathers (and foremothers) have had to put up with these beasts of the bitumen!
They contribute nothing to society except keeping bike retailers and wholesalers in business.
Lets reason this out.
Progress is good. Who uses a typewriter these days? Who hand writes their thesis? Who uses leeches for medical ailments? The list goes on and on. The point is obselecence. Cars replaced bicycles, horses and rickshaws as technology improved. Although analogous arguments are akin to the comparison of dog and cat shit, the fact remains that humanity devised better forms of transport and it seems silly to regress back to the past.
Oh, I know all the arguments about how bikes can keep you fit, use less fuel and cause less accidents. But lets look at these arguments in more detail with an open mind. I am a middle aged woman now, a cougar you might say. I have seen many younger fitter men and women perish and here I still smoke my fifty fags a day, do lotsof coke, practice loose bisexual sex and eat lots and lots and lots of hot chips and chocolate. You see - its genetics. I'll probably live a long and lecherously lascivious life, longing for no pleasures or titilations and indulging my mercurial and whimsical depredations until I become senile or develop a fatal STD.
Why deprive oneself of the pleasures of the body. Some things only come around once and unless you are a papist and are frightened of gods teeth gnashing wrath or a Hindu and think you will come back as a centipede or dog, you are denying yourself for nothing.
But I digress.
Environmentally, bikes do not emit emissions. but without the environmental issue how would we as a world community come together and focus our energies. A kind of community hug on a planetery scale. There would probably be more wars, the bayonetting of babies and the sodomizing of young men. Perhaps we should be thankful to the industrialists for backhandedly offering the world community a focal point.
With the advent of the electric car and other types of non fossil fuel engines being developed I think we will soon get over the polluting vehicle and the cyclists argument will be void.
Lets not ban bikes altogether. They are fun to watch in races, especially those 20 bike prangs. Ouch, that must hurt.
Well, I could develop these arguments further but my lover calls from our pink satin sheeted day bed and duty calls.
Till next time my dumplings.

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Yes, tjungarayi, I can see your point. And to develop it further, walking ought to be banned even before cycling! So, until such time as Shapogung can levitate and flitter gracefully toward his destination, I'm hoping he or she'll tip their mug of absinthe onto their keyboard and leave the cyclists alone.

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Who uses leeches for medical ailments?

The UK National Health Service use leeches. And maggots.


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shapogung {L_WROTE}:
Cyclists are a hazard and their constant demand for walkers to get out of the way is annoying.

Well, that's what I thought as well, TILL I started riding a bike again last week, for the first time after 30+ years, part of my weight loss/fitness plan. After almost 7 years as a pestrian on Lamma, almost immediately my attitude shifted while riding through Back Street to Hung Sing Yeh beach. All these slow and annoying pedestrians blocking my path, moving sooo slowly or not at all and rarely getting out of my way! Children! Dogs! Strollers! Gaggles of off-island teenagers! Aieeyaaah!

Bike Road Rage is fortunately rare on Lamma, but it certainly wasn't totally alien to me anymore... Frightening...

I couldn't figure out how to use the bell on my rented bike (yes, it's been a loooong time since I rode a bike), so I had to stop every few metres behind bumbling pedestrians, occupying the entire width of the path...

But then I returned the bike and became a mild-mannered pedestrian again, only occasionally annoyed about all the speeding mountain bikers and the constant bell-abusers...

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Would it help if pedestrians go up a gear and walk in the faster, Hong Kong Island- mode on village roads of Lamma?


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Yogesh {L_WROTE}:
Would it help if pedestrians go up a gear and walk in the faster, Hong Kong Island- mode on village roads of Lamma?


It's not a matter of speed, but simply being aware you're sharing the path and not walking along the centre line all the time.

My wife sometimes does lunch deliveries to old people on Sundays, she gets rather annoyed at the oblivious pedestrians who wander along in groups completely blocking the path.

I hardly ever ride on Sundays for just that reason.


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Who uses leeches for medical ailments?

The UK National Health Service use leeches. And maggots.

Are you sure the use of leeches and maggots is not a fad. Yes maggots eat tissue and decaying flesh as I have heard. Surely the large pharmacutical conglomerates would not like the humble maggot supplanting the many and variagated antibiotics they produce. Or is the UK health service so overburdened that it sees this as cost cutting.
However, I am sure you can enlighten us to the raison detre for the use of maggots being in the medical profession and all - perhaps maggots do not break down immune systems like antibiotics.
But how do you explain the efficacious effects of the leech. My only experience comes from burning them off with my lit splif in various jungles (rainforests)

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Leeches are useful in surgery and approved by the FDA. Medical leeches are used at several NHS hospitals, as are maggots, which are good for wound debridement, particularly infected ulcers, I believe (there are a lot of problems with hospital-acquired MRSA infections). They are both cheap and effective. You can find all this on the internet.


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And you can find some cheap and effective leeches at the Island Bar


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