The Power Station is old crap,it makes Lamma look like the North of Korea - Coal Power stations are the dirtiest and everyone concerned with healthy living should at first promote the demolition of this Power Station.

>>> This is why Hong Kong should embrace the awesomeness that is Nicholar Teslar. (Yes I spelled his name wrong, It just looks more sexy this way)..





The Jobs the Baroque will help to create are enclosed in there proposal ,Tree Nursery,Ecological use of the arable Land etc.

>>> YES, it will. ONLY if unselfish philantrophists who CARE about Lammanites, and or Hong Kongers, ran the project.


You will see in 10 Years with jumping transport costs,how important this will be for Lamma.


At the moment nearly all food is imported where on Lamma you got all you need to grow and prosper,Land and Water and you could grow almost everything from Citrus Fruits to Grapes,Melons and Pumpkins,Figs,Olives name it,it will grow here and the Baroque is giving the initiative to everyone to join in buy a Tree in there Nursery and grow it in your front Garden or set up a farm.

>>> yes, we do, but we don't want to use these lands, because get this Lamma Island is tiny, and host to many ecological life forms, unique to Lamma and ONLY lamma. Like Bees and butterflies, Kite birds, and get this GREEN Turtles that ONLY spawn on Lamma.


The Hills of Lamma could be home to herds of Goats as they do now in Hainan,bringing needed Protein as the Sea is overfished,bringing Cheese and Milk,you could reintroduce the Coffee Bush,name it, the Baroque will have the Facility ....

>>> See my rant about the ecologly of Lamma.


The opponents of the Baroque want there own cheap little profit,they know if the Baroque gets stopped,Lamma will have two Underground Stations in a


>> Wow does this mean we don't have to take the Ferry? yayeeeee!



short time and there Land and cheap little Flats looking like Rabbit Huts will jump in price and they can build more and more of that crap,where with the Baroque going ahead Lamma stays a Holliday Resort bringing excellent Houses with great healthy european standards and the flair of Lamma and Hong Kong will grow indeed !

>>> AND MORE TOURISTS to make loud noises, and throw more trash everywhere.

Seeing one of the Baroques Houses and Flats as on the Baroque Website and you will not like to live anymore in the usual concrete , overpriced, small and damp flats on the Lamma housing estate market and that's the fear the Lamma oponents have.

>>> That's why we picked Lamma and not the "Wings".

Only the Baroque will save Lamma, it will even make Lamma cleaner and help to establish a sustainable economy and ecology in tandem!!!!![/quote]

Introducing goats is about one of the worst things you can do for the environment, especially for native species on islands. Goats introduced to the Galapagos were partly responsible for the extinction of several subspecies of Galapagos tortoises and native plants. On Lamma, they would escape, go feral, and then we would have a huge problem.

How about instead of bringing in non-native protein, we take care of the sea? I find it quite ironic that you mention the sea being overfished, at the same time as you are promoting the rezoning of a Coastal Protection Zone (in Baroque development plan) and the development of a huge marina. And to my knowledge there is no native coffee plant on Lamma.

Yea the LAST thing we need is another nut trying to poison the goats, with Paraquate, thus endangering our saftey...

two weeks and no food and you are the first who changes your mind

And after three weeks, you'll be the food.

Obviously the Baroque plan makes no sense, economically, environmentally or otherwise.

It's either simply a scam to try to skim money from gullible Mainland investors ... or perhaps it's a planned refuge for local billionaires from the inevitable zombie holocaust. In which case building it in total isolation from civilisation finally is explained.

Your logic escapes me.

Well... in the example you cite. On the Galapagos sailors left goats so they could come back at some future point and eat them, left unattended on uninhabited and naturally pristine islands they did have a significant negative impact on the environment.

However in the scenario discussed here, the goats would be a (constant) food source and not have the opportunity to build a big enough population to cause such a negative impact on an island already deforested by humans once.

Does that logic escape you?
Or did you not get the logic that you may not be so concerned about environmental impact if you are starving?

if I may jump in:
The logic of talking about a situation in which we are all isolated and starving to death on Lamma as a justification for a fatuous luxury housing project escapes me.
How is that relevant to reality?

Or are all those "zombie movies" being made on Lamma NOT REALLY MOVIES???? Is there a cover up?

Err ... They can swim ...

ZOMBIEGATE!

You give ewald a rather generous interpretation. There is no logic on view. In fact, gibberish is the word that springs to mind. If there were goats living wild on Lamma, ewald would doubtless be among them, grazing contentedly.

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Perhaps you and Nancy got an old Korean Recipe for Dog soup?

There will be plenty of those creatures on the Island left without owner

when the food crisis will start.


All Provinces in China are putting aside new arable Land and the Goats

I mentioned are specially bred for the South China Sea Islands in Hainan.


Yours, Nancy and Alan's Comments show clearly how out of touch you all are

with the currant situation on the world stage concerning food for 7 billion

people,where one English man needs 30 times more oil as an Indian and a

USA person 75 times more.

The oil price only has to go up a bit and mass starvation on a epical scale

will start in the world.

But dream on,the standing comity of the CPC is also looking after your needs

in HK

Ewald for Chief Executive and President of Free Lamma!

maybe the result of drinking too much Red Bull

at least here/his money goes back into Ostrogoth Hands if she/he drinks that stuff

Where's e-waldo?

Perhaps you can find him confounding the unfortunates unlucky enough to be trapped in the baroque dream that comprises his own bizarre fantasy island.

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Well,in New York they giving Chicken away to make people aware of the food crisis to come.....
Perhaps here you are a bit far away for the news to reach you in time,but if there is no food because you have to import it,there will be no border to stop the famine to also come to Lamma and you will perhaps think how clever you where back in 2011 when you wrote your above post!

Honestly ewald, we would probably have quite an interesting discussion if we could get past the polemics. I'm actually quite interested in food self-sufficiency and food security. I think not enough people realize how closely tied food production is to human rights and political freedom.

I think that agricultural land is underused on Lamma and it would be great to have some dialogue around this. But, at the same time, it's important to listen to people who warn about the potential dangers of goat farming for local ecology.

You have received feedback that you have scoffed at from some very intelligent, wise people - highly trained scientists in the field of ecology even, who teach at local universities. It would be wise to keep an open mind to all. Pointing out such dangers does not necessary doom farming plans. The goat farm that might eventually arise if all sides were listened to would be a heck of a lot more sustainable in relation to the whole environment / ecology / community because those arguments were listened to.

Maybe, it would be decided that goats were not the answer but that there was another even more appropriate protein source that could be developed? How about Euglena?

When people are in disagreement isn't it most often the case that both parties are correct in some ways and both parties are wrong in others? So if only one side 'wins' and only their ideas are incorporated into the solution, the solution is weakened by the neglect of truths discarded that were among the points argued by the 'losing' party. This is why dialogue is a much stronger form of communication than argument.

And, this also points to the inherent weakness in societies that control information and restrict open dialogue to only arguments that are perceived to be in accord with the thinking of those in power.

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>>>> Do they don't need to take the Ferry then?